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Human climate disruption [Jun. 18th, 2006|09:27 pm]
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Update post coming soon, but first:

I read this annoying editorial in the newspaper this morning about global warming (which I'm going to refer to as "human climate disruption" instead, because calling it "global warming" misleads the discussion). Actually, I only read about half of it, because as I said, it was annoying.

I was pondering a counter-letter to the editor, but then I realized that it was unlikely to do any good if I didn't address the issues in contention. If you're going to try and change somebody's mind with new information, you have to figure out what information would actually matter, or all you're going to do is add heat to the disagreement.

And so, a quiz:

So, whaddaya think about anthropogenic (human-caused) climate change?

A) It's totally happening
B) A lot of people say it's true, but I'm not convinced
C) I hear arguments for and against, and I'm not sure what to think
D) I think it's some kind of hoax
E) Other

If you answered anything other than A, I'd like to try and change your mind, so leave a comment explaning why (generally speaking) you don't find the idea persuasive.

I was thinking that I'd write a short explanation of the physics involved, because it's actually pretty straightforward. But I want to know whether that's actually where the disagreement arises...

[User Picture]From: earthling177
2006-06-19 08:28 am (UTC)
I would love to either have a long talk with you someday or have some time to compose an email that is probably too long to fit in a comment here. My general impression is that both sides have good arguments and they are talking past each other as if only one thing could be happening and only one side could possibly win, and I think that the talking past each other and the "war" in which only one of the ideas is supposed to be right and dominate is the downfall of the entire thing -- consider for a second or two that there are dozens of other (sometimes powerful) sides that have something to win if we don't do anything because we're fighting to get either "global warming is happening/is not happening" and "it's happening but it's no one's fault/it's our fault totally" as the only idea that is right. And the situation is not new -- it happens all the time in politics, to name just one: some candidates win by breaking all the other factions apart and having them fight each other and then less than 30% of the population puts someone that 70% of the population definitely did not want, it's how a guy that did not even *live* in MA became our governor, for example.

In any case, it would be interesting to address several of the problems so we could get past the fighting and get to the real science and hence, hopefully, some way to fix the problems.
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[User Picture]From: madbodger
2006-06-19 02:44 pm (UTC)
You hit the nail on the head. When people see me pointing out that the
oversimplified explanation (suitable for people who get their science from
CNN, USA Today, and Fox News) isn't workable for determining what to do
next, they assume that I'm supporting the neocon "let's just ignore it"
attitude. Which I'm vehemently not.
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