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Font help [May. 20th, 2008|07:53 pm]
I have a request for anybody on my flist who know fonts.

These fonts here all feel pretty Victorian to me, and they all (particularly the one labeled V20) seem related the font used on the cover of one of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen trades:

What is this font called, and where could I find a free version?

I'm not looking for anything overly specific, just something in the same general species of appearance. I need to add text to a large image, so I need something that will look decent when an individual character is around 120 pixels wide.

Any thoughts?

[User Picture]From: navrins
2008-05-21 02:45 am (UTC)
Do you have some reason to think the name of the font isn't something like, "Sugar River Ex Libris" or "Sugar River Ex Libris Bookplates"?

Not that googling for that works or anything.
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[User Picture]From: dr_tectonic
2008-05-21 03:02 am (UTC)
Oh, yeah. Those were from a whole set of "Victorian" fonts, the other 25 of which looked nothing at all like that.
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[User Picture]From: quirkstreet
2008-05-21 02:49 am (UTC)
Visit www.dafont.com and see what they've got. Their stuff is of the freeware/shareware ilk (usage restrictions, if any, are outlined for each font they make available) and I believe they have a subset specifically for Victorian/Goth style fonts. It's all downloadable. Very easy to include on Macs, I presume just as easy or nearly so on Windows.
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From: jdickert
2008-05-21 03:39 am (UTC)
The first one is Gable Antique Condensed by Spiece Graphics. It costs $35. Not sure if there is a knock-off available somewhere.

To identify the others, try Identifont: http://www.identifont.com/identify.html

Dafont.com (which someone else mentioned) is a great resource for free/shareware fonts. However, a lot of fonts on that site are ripped off commercial fonts.
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[User Picture]From: tdjohnsn
2008-05-21 03:44 am (UTC)
V3 is called "Campanile"

v20 looks a lot like a font called "Ravenscroft"




v14 looks really familiar, but i can't find it in my collections.
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[User Picture]From: dr_tectonic
2008-05-21 06:14 am (UTC)
That is, indeed, Ravenscroft! Hmm... though now that I know it's the Haunted Mansion font, it's not quite working for me.

Campanile might work, though. Must experiment.

Thanks, Troy!
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From: jdickert
2008-05-21 03:51 am (UTC)
PS - what are you using the font for? If you want to e-mail me the image with a description of the project, I can offer some type suggestions.

Chopin Script is very nice - curly, gothic, formal

Scurlock and Windlass both have a nice flavor, old-fashioned-y but more pirate than Victorian. Still, they look great as a headline or for a single line of text.

Chopin and Scurlock are both available at dafont; Windlass I would have to e-mail you.

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[User Picture]From: dr_tectonic
2008-05-21 06:06 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: nematsakis
2008-05-21 03:58 am (UTC)
You could try WhatTheFont
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[User Picture]From: dr_tectonic
2008-05-21 06:12 am (UTC)
That's pretty cool! It does not know my fonts, sadly.
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[User Picture]From: gardencub
2008-05-21 01:20 pm (UTC)
Most folks just assume that things like clip art and fonts and type sets should be free or very cheap. They get bundled into software packages and have no value on their own. We just use what was installed on our PC or Mac, maybe we get crazy and by some special word processing software that includes extra font sets. The idea that we should pay for better or more interesting stuff is completely foreign to most people these days.

I have one thought, which is a type designer spends months, if not years, designing a complete font set. He or she gets paid an incredibly small amount of money for that work, and more often then not, their work gets ripped off and passed around for free.

I would say go out and buy some software that includes fonts that you like and let the artists get credit and paid for some very time consuming work.

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[User Picture]From: dr_tectonic
2008-05-21 02:23 pm (UTC)
I realize this post may have sounded entitled and demanding, but I'm not asking for people to violate copyright on their 150 most awesome fonts. If this were a big project, I'd definitely look into buying that perfect font. It's not. I need 14 characters, total, for a little, one-shot, off-the-cuff project. If I can't find something reasonably close to what I want for low cost and effort, I'll just draw them by hand. It's not that big a deal.

While I agree that artistry deserves to be rewarded, there are a whole lot of font designers who do it just for fun and make their products freely availably, and I see no reason not to benefit from their generosity. And it's a shame that so many professionals get ripped off, but "I spent a long time on it" has never guaranteed anybody a profit. If everyone treats clip art and fonts like they don't have much intrinsic value... well, maybe they don't.
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[User Picture]From: gardencub
2008-05-21 02:45 pm (UTC)
Twenty years ago there was little or no homemade graphic design, word processing, etc. The average Joe didn't have the ability to layout posters, fliers, greeting cards, etc. We all just either lettered imperfectly by hand, or bought a pre-made item, or had something printed at the local print shop.

With the advent of the PC and lots of easy to use word processing, photo shop, or paint box type software and applications, everyone suddenly feels empowered to do it themselves. This is great, but just as top quality ingredients have value to a good cook, so to should great type design, well designed clip art, etc. have value to the home or amateur graphic designer who values a great finished product.

"If everyone treats clip art and fonts like they don't have much intrinsic value... well, maybe they don't."

The same could be said of Music, movies, paintings, etc. Any freely traded object becomes devalued by the general public, it does not mean it has no value, it means that it's value has not been clearly established.

Coke, Pepsi, Nike, Geico, GMC, Microsoft, Apple and the rest all know the value of type design, good graphics and high quality commercial art. It gets you and I to buy their product. Coke without great advertising is just sugar water with chemicals and fizz added.

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[User Picture]From: dr_tectonic
2008-05-21 03:40 pm (UTC)
Right, but there's this shift going on with many of those kinds of products. Many cartoonists have already made the transition to the new webcomics business model, where the product itself is given away for free, and the artists make money off of accessories: t-shirts, coffee mugs, printed collections, and so on. Music seems to be moving in the same direction, with the songs themselves being given away for free (or sold for very cheap) and all the money coming from sales of concert tickets. Obviously not everyone does it that way, but there are a lot of musicians who seem to think that's a better deal than trying to make it big with a record company and ending up in debt unless you win the popularity lottery and hit it really big. Physical art (sculpture and paintings) is different because it's not infinitely cloneable for free (yet), but over the last couple decades the fine art market has become very distorted by investment speculation.

I don't really know where I'm going with this, I guess the point is that the economics of art has always been kind of weird -- Medici patronage, anyone? -- so maybe we shouldn't be surprised when it behaves strangely in the marketplace and doesn't fit well into the existing paradigms.

As for Coke and company... well, it is just sugar water with chemicals and fizz. I don't find that kind of advertising very persuasive, so I guess I'm in a bad position to appreciate that sense of the value...
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[User Picture]From: gardencub
2008-05-21 03:59 pm (UTC)
Sugar water or not, millions of our fellow sheep have followed that road, drank the Kool-aid, joined the cult of consumerism without a second glance. You may not like the product, but their bottom line speaks volumes about the economic value of good advertising.

Art and commerce make for very strange bedfellows. There is little or no economic model that holds true for the art market, but the one clear truth is that most artists struggle in relative poverty and anonymity while a few succeed.

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[User Picture]From: dr_tectonic
2008-05-21 04:34 pm (UTC)
Yeah. One hopeful thought it that the internet seems to be making it more viable to be a small-time artist, because it's so much easier for niche artists to find their niche audience. There's this idea of "micro-patronage" that I think is really interesting. There will always be superstars, but it's possible we may end up with fewer big stars and a whole lot more smaller ones, which doesn't seem all that bad to me.
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[User Picture]From: annlarimer
2008-05-21 03:01 pm (UTC)
If everyone treats clip art and fonts like they don't have much intrinsic value... well, maybe they don't.

Oh, sweetie, no! D:
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[User Picture]From: dr_tectonic
2008-05-21 03:20 pm (UTC)
It's just a passing thought -- I'm not attached to it.

(And I did buy my Mom a big CD set of clipart for Christmas just a couple years ago, so put that in the "actually, I'm wrong" evidence column...)
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From: blockade_boy
2008-05-21 11:43 pm (UTC)
They're not free, but the fonts at P22 Type Foundry can be bought for as little as $19.95. Latimer and Goudy Ornate have some of that Victorian flavor you're looking for. (I think.)
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